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The story starts with Joseph Row around the time that 12 of HMS Bounty’s mutineers were being tried for mutiny. King George III was on the throne, Napoleon Bonaparte had declared war against England, Nelson routed the French fleet at the Battle of the Nile, and died at Trafalgar. First GenerationThe earliest Roe that I have reference to is Joseph Row. He was probably born about 1790-1800, but the only documentation at present is on his son Thomas’ birth certificate. Unfortunately, the clerk who registered the marriage had terrible writing and though Joseph’s occupation is mentioned , I have not yet deciphered it! It looks like Brofrfinisher... whatever that is! Second GenerationBy now George III had died and the Prince Regent, George IV had taken the throne. Rugby had just been invented and the first covered handsome cabs plied for trade on the streets of London. Joseph and his wife had at least one child, Thomas Row. He was probably born between 1815 and 1824. In his youth Thomas would have seen the opening of the first passenger steam railway in 1825, and Stephenson’s Rocket winning the steam prize. Britain claimed sovereignty over Australia, William IV took the throne, and the first Oxford Cambridge boat race was run. John Constable painted some of his finest pictures, slavery was abolished, the East India Company lost its monopoly and the House of Commons was destroyed by fire. In 1837, at the age of 18 Victoria became Queen. The following year the first steam ships crossed the Atlantic. Thomas married Esther Groom a servant and daughter of Samuel Groom, a labourer. They wed at the Parish Church of St Leonard, Shoreditch on 5th August, 1844. At this stage none of the signatories on the wedding certificate were able to write, they have however, left their marks. Though a smith by trade when they married, Thomas became a coach spring maker and then a greengrocer in later years (I don’t suppose that comes as a great surprise!). Third Generation
Thomas and Esther had several children. I believe the eldest was Thomas Joseph Roe, born in 25th October 1845 (and known as Joseph). The family was living at 9 Chadd’s Place in the Parish of Pancras. Joseph Thomas grew up and followed in his father’s footsteps, becoming a greengrocer. In his youth Joseph, would have seen the Scots and Irish devastated by the potato famine. Chloroform was introduced to deaden the pain of operations. The Great Exhibition was held in Hyde Park as a showcase for British economic strength. Great Ormond Street Hospital for Sick Children was opened. Livingstone discovered the Victoria Falls. The Indian Mutiny occured and was put down. Darwin published "The Origin of the Species" and the first underground railway was constructed in London. In 1868 Joseph was living in William Street, Shoreditch. He married Eliza Howard, daughter of a farmer John Howard, at St Leonard’s Parish Church, Shoreditch. Both Joseph and Eliza were illiterate (their marriage certificate contains their mark, rather than their signatures). They moved away from William Street soon after. The 1871 census return for 63 Swinton Street, St Pancras tells us that the other children of Thomas and Esther were: Esther Roe born 1858, Alice Roe born 1860, Joseph Roe born 1864, Isabella Roe born 1867, and William Roe born 1870. I have no further information about any of these children. At some point Joseph and Eliza moved to Essex and bought Sharp’s Farm at Latchingdon. They owned the farm until Joseph’s death at the age of 73 on 10th December 1917. The farm was sold and Eliza went to live in a nearby cottage (I believe it was called Engineer’s Cottage). Eliza died 21st April 1932, aged 87. She had broken her thigh several years earlier and went to live with Ernest and Ada. Robert (her grandson) remembers pushing her around the farmyard in her bathchair. Both Joseph and Eliza were buried in the graveyard of the now redundant church of St Michael’s, Latchingdon. Eliza’s obituary in the local paper read:
Fourth Generation
Joseph and Eliza had several children. The first was Joseph Thomas, known as Tom, born 25th February 1869. The family were living at 48 Swinton Street, Holborn. I know very little of Tom. He was obviously quite a refined individual, working at the Palace for a number of years. He left the Palace and became a wine taster. This period of history saw and education act which ensured schooling for all children. The Royal Albert Hall was built. The "Marie Celeste" was found adrift and deserted. Captain Matthew Webb became the first person to swim the channel. Victoria was appointed Empress of India. A generating station at Holborn Viaduct was opened to provide current for London’s first electric street lights. Victoria celebrated her golden jubilee. Jack the Ripper terrorised the street of Whitechapel. London, with a population of 5.5 million was the largest city in the world. Frederick, was born 25th October 1873 at 63 Swinton Street, no doubt "grandma’s" house. He grew up in the area. On 12th August 1894 at St Etheldreda’s, Ely Place, Frederick married Sarah Fitzgibbons daughter of another greengrocer, John Fitzgibbons and Caroline Connolly. (See sidebar on the Fitzgibbons). Frederick and Sarah started the current greengrocery dynasty. Frederick was well educated but didn’t have much of a head for business. Sarah, on the other hand, was illiterate but an astute businesswoman. (Sarah had a shell engraved to commemorate their wedding. Due to her illiteracy Roe was actually spelt Rowe). On their retirement they passed the business on to their sons and retired to a farm, Fleet Farm at Chart Sutton, near Maidstone. Sarah tried to make the best of it, and used to deliver milk around the village from a large churn. During holidays, the their grandchildren would come and visit. Sarah, however, didn’t like the peace of the countryside and so the farm was left in the hands of a manager, and the Frederick and Sarah moved back to 13 Ewart Grove, Wood Green in 1926. Frederick was a keen fisherman and member of a fishing club. Several of his prize catches were stuffed and mounted in cabinets. The story behind some of the "catches" is monument to Roe ingenuity. Frederick’s brother Ernest was bailiff at Mundon Hall Farm in Essex. Like most farms, it had a large pool which provided fresh water, and this pool was stocked with fish. Frederick’s nephew Robert would rig a net across the bottom of the ramp used by the horses to get to the water and as the horses left the fish would swim to the disturbed water, where Robert would net them. Frederick would select the best of the "catch" and then put a hook through it’s lip triumphantly returning with his prize. These visits ended in about 1939. Robert tells me that he never saw Frederick again after he attended Robert’s wedding. Florrie, Edith Law, Frederick & Sarah Roe In their final years Frederick and Sarah lived in Ewart Grove, Wood Green. Sarah died 24th January 1954, and Frederick on 7th February 1956. Ernest Henry was another child of Joseph and Eliza. He was born in 1879. He married Ada Lily Collard (who was born in 1885 at Canewden, Essex) and they had an extensive family. He was a big man, weighing some 22 stone though very fit, walking many miles every day in the course of his work as farming bailiff. He worked at Mundon Hall Farm for the Solly family at Latchingdon in Essex, living in the nearby Mundon Hall Cottage. His bailiwick was extensive covering several local farms. Later, Solly sold the farm to the Finch family, but Ernest retained his position as bailiff. Ernest was injured in a mowing accident. This forced him to retire from the farm. With the compensation he received for his injuries he opened a butcher’s shop. Ernest died at the age of 67 on 14th June 1946, some years before his wife. Ada died 17th January 1958, aged 73.
Alice was the last child of Joseph and Eliza that I have discovered. I know little of Alice. She married Jack Bailey. Jack worked for R.D.Levy the cigar factor. When he visited the farm at Latchingdon he would bring a box of cigars called "Star of Cuba". Alice and Jack lived near Fulham. Fifth GenerationThe history lesson stops here. I know far more about these generations and assume you all have a detailed grasp of 20th century events. (I am likely to phone and ask questions, so don’t answer yes unless you are sure!)
Frederick and Sarah had five children. Frederick Joseph was the first. He was born 25th October 1895. Unfortunately, Fredrick died as a toddler (about the age of three). Florence Ellen was born on April 26th 1898 at number 6 Cross Street, Hatton Garden. Interestingly her original birth certificate records her name as Florrie Eleanor Rowe and has subsequently been legally corrected. This was probably caused by Sarah’s inability to read or write and check the entry with the registrar when first recorded.
(Alice with her brothers Ernest and John) Alice was born 25th May 1900. Again I only have sketchy information about Alice. She married Arthur Charles Watts (1902-1961), a police officer. Arthur left the police force and Arthur and Alice ran a restaurant near Hatton Garden. They sold this at the start of the war and went up to Loughborough where Arthur continued with his catering. While they were at Loughborough at the end of the war they bought a commercial hotel on the Isle of Wight at Newport. The family moved to the island, where they stayed. After Arthur died, Alice met Frank Thomas. Frank had lost his wife, and Alice and Frank compared prices of the funerals. When she discovered that Frank had been charged less that she was, she got a refund! Alice married Frank a couple of years later at Our Lady of Lourdes. Her sister-in-law, Winn Roe, arranged the flowers at the church. Alice and Frank remained on the Isle of Wight until Alice’s death in 1977. Ernest was born 19th February 1902. Here I have more information. Ernest was born in Rosomon Street, Clerkenwell on 19th February 1902. As a youth he had a good voice and sang in the church choir. He went to boarding school at Ratcliffe College in Leicestershire. In 1925 Ernest married Edith Mary Law, sister of Albert who had married Florrie. Ernest and Edith lived over the shop in Leather Lane, until they moved to leafy lanes of New Southgate in the 1930s. Ernest worked in the family greengrocery business and took it over with his brother John when his father retired. Eventually he sold out to his brother, and became involved in other ventures. He was active in the Stock Market, was a partner in a restaurant, and ran a plastics company. In the late 1950s Edith had a stroke that left her paralysed down the left hand side. She recovered enough to walk with a calliper, but her sister Alice (Darney) moved in to help. By the end of the 1970s Edith was admitted to St Joseph’s at Edmonton where she could be cared for more completely. Ernest visited every day, spending all day with her. At the weekends her grandchildren and great grandchildren would take it in turns to visit. Her health deteriorated, and she passed away on her birthday, 24th July 1983. Interestingly the inscription on her gravestone gives the wrong date, and will certainly pose a puzzle to future generations looking back. Ernest carried on, still dabbling in the Stock Exchange and still very active at the local church. Early in 1988 he had a minor stroke, subsequently he was admitted to St Joseph’s, but he died peacefully on 26th June 1988. John Michael was born in 1905. He also went to Ratcliffe College. He married Winnifred Hogg. John took over the whole family business from Ernest, and eventually passed it on to his sons. Again, I regret I know very little about John and Win’s life. They did have a house in Spain and used to visit with Florrie (Winn’s sister) and her husband Gill. Unfortunately Florrie died during one of these the trips. Ernest and Ada continued the Roe dynasty in Essex. I have been lucky enough to make contact with their son Robert and granddaughter Leonora. Whilst I haven’t got a full picture of all the family here’s what I know so far. Ernest Roe (b:1879 d:14/6/1946) Jack Roe (b:~1901) Millie Roe (b:1902 d:1/12/1989) Robert James Roe (b:1915 d:28/2/1999) Brenda Roe (b:?) David Roe (b:?) Doreen Roe (b:?) Florence Roe (b:?) Gladys Roe (b:? d:?) Harold Roe (b:?) Jo Roe (b:?) Violet Roe (b:?) Winnie Roe (b:?) Jack was the eldest child, born around 1901. He went to Canada and married and had four children. Things didn’t work out as planned and so Jack and his family returned to Essex, living for a while with his younger brother Robert. Millie was next, born in 1902. She grew up to marry Frederick Bridge and had four children. As she aged Millie developed glaucoma, and eventually lost an eye. Millie died December 1st 1989 at the age of 87 and she and Fred are buried in the graveyard at Latchingdon. Jo was a bit of a loner. He was known for living in a tree house in the garden of the cottage, opposite the school. He would hurl objects at the back door when he was ready for his meal. When he grew up, Jo went to Australia. He stayed there for a while, but came back to Essex. He was ready to return to Australia when he was taken ill and died of cancer. Jo never married. Robert James was born in 1915. Robert met Gertrude Wager from nearby Tolsbury and they married at the church of St Mary the Virgin in Mundon on September 22nd 1934. They had two children prior to the outbreak of war and two children after. During the war Robert served as a cook in the Army. When he left the army he went to live in a friends cottage. He bought some pigs and kept them in the yard and planted tomatoes in the garden. At the end of the season he had taken 11 tons of tomatoes to market. Robert was transport manager for an East Anglian company. They would allow him to use the lorries at the weekend. He used these to collect refuse in local area and in the end formed his own company which has now passed to his son. Throughout this time he developed the farm and along with the pigs, had several working horses, 2 Percheron and 2 Shires. Until fairly recently, he also had an old gypsy caravan. Over the years Robert and Gertrude fostered many children (over 100) at one time they had 10 foster children at once. They also used to buy and sell property (until changes in tax law made it uneconomic). Possibly the finest property they owned was Sparrowycke Farm, an imposing 9 bedroomed farmhouse at the top of a hill. (The family still have a 128 acre farm in Fambridge). Gertrude died July 21st 1990. Robert continued to live in a bungalow near Sparrowycke Farm. He spent the days there and looked after himself but his daughter Leonora and her friend Richard spent the evening with him and then took him back to their house to sleep. Robert died on 28th February 1999. Brenda grew up and at the age of 28 married Derek Jackson. I believe they celebrate their 40th wedding anniversary this year and live in Luton. Brenda and Derek have two children.David was another son. I don’t know anything about him, but believe he is buried at Latchingdon.Doreen married Stanley Bean. Doreen and Stan live in Luton and have two children Nigel and Diane.Florence was another daughter, but I no nothing about her.Gladys married a Mr Smith (I’m afraid that I don’t know his first name) and subsequently Terry Jackson. Gladys never had any children, but Pat Empson remembers that Gladys used to babysit her when she was a young girl.Harold grew up and enlisted in the army. He was killed by a mine during the War, in France.Violet married Hubert Fleckney. Violet and Hubert never had any children.Winnie married Kenneth Coloney. Winnie lives in Dersingham, Norfolk.Sixth GenerationMany of the couples discussed above had families. In most cases I know their names and in some cases their dates. Florrie and Bert continued the Law dynasty with the following children. Florence Ellen Roe (b:26/4/1897 d:20/12/1978) v Patricia Florence Law (b:2/6/1920)+William Edward Empson (b:13/7/1920 m:1943) v Phillip John Albert Law (b:15/8/1921)+Eileen Victoria Murphy (b:12/9/1923 m:1949 d:1989) v Peter Ernest Law (b:6/3/ 1924)+Mary Cecilia Tidy (b:14/8/1925 m:?) Patricia Florence Law was born 2nd June 1920. She grew up and in 1945 married William Edward Empson (13th July 1920). I admit that I have done no research on the Empson part of the family, as their son Mark Empson is working on that side of the family tree. Phillip John Albert Law was born 15th August 1921. Phillip recalls how at weekends in the summer, when his dad had finished on the paper, they would all get in the car and go down to the farm. Phillip grew up and in 1949 married Eileen Victoria Murphy (12th September 1923). He worked on the Times Newspaper, like his father. Peter Ernest Law was born 6th March 1924 grew up and married Mary Cecilia Tidy (14th August 1925). Peter worked on the Financial Times newspaper for 38 years, until his retirement. Alice and Arthur Watts also had a family. Alice Roe (b:25/5/1900 d:16/11/ 1977) v Marion Watts (b:7/8/1929 d:18/4/1989)+Rodger Large (b:Abt 1928 d:13/3/1988) v Barbara Watts (b:29/12/1932)+Peter Witcher (b:13/7/1933 m:4/9/1959) v Frederick Watts (b:16/6/1937)+Joan Hack (b:20/11/1940 m:24/2/1962) Marion Watts was born 7th August 1929 and grew up to marry Rodger Large. Barbara Watts was born 29th December 1932. She married Peter Witcher on 4th September 1959. Frederick Watts was born 16th June 1937. On 24th February 1962 he married Joan Hack (20th November 1940). Freddy taught at a catering college near Portsmouth until he retired. Since he left he has travelled several times to India where he has been helping to set up a hotel catering school. Freddy and Joan live in Haverstreet, Isle of Wight. Ernest and Edith had three daughters. Ernest Roe (b:19/2/1902 d:26/6/1988) v Eileen Mary Roe (b:17/8/1926 d:9/10/1959)+John Thomas Temple McMenemy (b:9/2/1926 m:14/5/1951 d:5/1/1965) v Audrey Alice Roe (b:7/3/1930)+Raymond Patrick Badeski (b:9/3/1925 m:13/12/1958 d:24 /11/1986) v Jeanette Margaret Roe (b:19/5/1936 d:/12/1936)Eileen Mary Roe was born 17th August 1926 at the family home at 47, Leather Lane, Holborn. The family moved to a newly built house at 42 Morton Way, Southgate, overlooking Arnos Park. Eileen went to the local St Angela’s Convent in Palmers Green. Later she was sent to a convent boarding school at Loughborough in Leicestershire. In addition to formal tuition, Eileen learnt to play the piano. Eileen and her friend Heather McDonald left Loughborough and went to train as physiotherapists. Heather was a sturdy girl, and in those days physiotherapy was very physical. Eileen was more petite, and she wasn’t really cut out for the profession. Eileen met John McMenemy at the local tennis club. They married at Our Lady of Lourdes Church, New Southgate on 14th May, 1951. After the reception they went to Paris for their honeymoon. On the last day before returning to England Eileen and John met up with Ernest and Edith at Versailles. Eileen’s parents were driving through France on their way to Italy for a holiday. On returning to England they moved into 42 Morton Way as a temporary measure prior to the availability of the apartment they had acquired. For the first couple of weeks they had the house to themselves, but then Eileen’s parents returned, so things were a bit cramped for a few weeks. Finally, they moved into their own place at 5 Gower Mews Mansions, WC1. In 1956 Eileen and John moved to 17 Mayfield Close, Harpenden. It was there that on October 8th 1959 Eileen collapsed on the kitchen floor. She was rushed to hospital, and then on to St Bartholomew’s Hospital in London. She had suffered a massive stroke. The following day, having received the Last Rites, she died. Audrey Roe was born 7th March 1930 at 47 Leather Lane. Like Eileen she also went to St Angela’s Convent. Audrey remembers that when she first enrolled at St Angela’s she was walking across the yard when someone pointed out the McMenemy twins. Audrey recalled looking at them and trying to work out why they were different. Eventually when Audrey and Eileen got home, she asked Eileen what twins were! After St Angela’s, Audrey went to the Convent at Loughborough for 12 years. On leaving school, Audrey trained as a nurse at St Bartholomew’s Hospital. After completing her training she worked as a nurse in New York and then changed career and became an air stewardess on Trans Canada Airlines. It was during this period that she met Raymond Badeski. In 1958 Audrey and Ray married in Our Lady of Lourdes Church, New Southgate with nephews David Law and Andrew McMenemy attired in Highland dress in attendance. Their reception was held at the Hendon Hall Hotel. (Audrey and Ray Badeski with their young family, and the proud grandparents Ernest and Edith Roe) Audrey and Ray set up home at 4630 Montclair Avenue, Montreal. By the late 1960s Toronto was the opportunity capital of Canada, and less troubled by Quebecois influence. They moved to 8 Frivick Court, Willowdale, Toronto. In the late 1980s Ray developed cancer. It was a long difficult time. Audrey nursed him at home to the end. He died 24th November 1986. Audrey moved from Frivick Court in 1994, and now lives at 128 Confederation Way, Thornhill. Ernest and Edith’s youngest daughter was Jeanette Roe, born 19th May 1936. She was born blind and had a heart defect. Jeanette spent her whole, short life in and out of hospital. When at home, being nursed by private nurses. She died in December 1936, 7 months old. John and Win had three children. I’m afraid that I know very little about this part of the family. John Michael Roe (b:19/9/1907 d:1987) v Frederick Roe (b:26/9/1935)+Ann (Roe) (b:? m:?) +Jean (Roe) (b:? m:?) v Bernard Roe (b:?)+Dominique (Roe) (b:? m:?) v Susan Roe (b:?) .+Raphael Carboni (b:? m:?) Frederick Roe was the eldest, born on Septmenber 26th 1935. and took over the family greengrocery business. He allowed the business to evolve into new areas, such as prepared vegetables, peeled potatoes, chipped potatoes and so forth. Frederick married Ann and they had two children Karen and Kim. The marriage did not last, and he re-married. Freddy and Jean had a further child (who I believe is called Sarah, and deeply apologise to her if I’m wrong) and are now living in Hadley Wood. Bernard Roe was the second child. He married a French lady called Dominique. With his brother he ran the family business. Bernard and Dominique had two sons, Olivier and Matthew, and have recently become grandparents. They live out in the countryside near Ware. Susan Roe who married Raphael Carboni. They had twins in the 60s. Coincidentally, my sister-in-law Denise used to babysit for them when they lived in a flat in Southgate. I believe they all now live in Italy. Looking at Ernest and Ada’s children’s families Jack Roe (b:~1901) v Unknown childrenI believe the Jack had 4 children, and that some of them survive today in Latchingdon. I’m afraid I have no other details Millie also had children. Millie Roe (b:1902 d:1/12/1989) v Triggy Bridge (b:1925 d:27/4/1990)v Margaret Bridge (b:?)+Peter Rumsby (b:?) v Alec Bridge (b:?)v Anthony Bridge (b:?)Frederick was the first child and he was known throughout his life as Triggy. Triggy married and had children and at least one grandchild. Regrettably I don’t have any further information. He died on April 4th 1990 and is buried in the graveyard at Latchingdon. Margaret grew up to marry Peter Rumsby. Unfortunately, a scaffolding accident has left Peter confined to a wheelchair. Now I’m not ever so sure of my facts here, but I think Millie had two further sons Alec and Anthony (Tony). Robert and Gertrude had four children. Robert James Roe (b:1915) v Robert James Roe (b:Abt 1936)v Margaret Anita Roe (b:1939)+Alec Mitchell (b:? m:?) v Leonora June Roe (b:Abt 1946)+John Bernard Litscher (b:? m:1961) +Richard Woollard (b:? m:1982) v William Henry Roe (b:26/1/1947 d:28/9/1991)+Barbara (Roe) (b:? m:? d:?) Robert James was the Robert and Gertrude’s first child. He still lives in the area, and has taken over the family business. Margaret Anita was next and she married Alec Mitchell. They had two girls, who have subsequently married. Maragret and Alec still live locally. Leonora June was born some 6 years later. She married John Bernard Litscher (known as Bernie) in 1961.They had two sons. In 1982 Leonora and Bernie divorced. Leonora’s partner is now Richard Willard (who she refers to as Mr Willard-dear). They live in lovely bungalow in Cold Norton, near Latchingdon. William Henry was the youngest. He married Barbara (I don’t know her maiden name). They have two children. Will died September 28th 1991, and is buried in the churchyard at Latchingdon. Brenda and Derek had a family. Brenda Roe (b:?) v David Roe (b:?)v Davina Roe (b:?)I know little about David. I believe he works for one of the major supermarket companies. I’ve also been told he is very tall. I’m afraid I know nothing about his sister Davina. I think that Doreen and Stanley were the only other family in this branch of the family. Doreen Roe (b:?) v Nigel Bean (b:?)v Diana Bean (b:?)I believe there were just the two children, Nigel and Diana, but know nothing about them. Seventh, Eighth and Ninth GenerationsBy this stage the family tree is getting quite large. Refer to the outline tree to see details of these generations. Though if you have information to add, please let me know. |
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